Are You Stuck in a Dead-End Job? Tips for Making the Leap to Freedom

On this week's episode of the weekly wealth podcast, we are talking to anybody who has a job that might be a dead end job.

It's their source of income, but they know that they need to make a change.

Maybe they have some financial obstacles, maybe they have some fear, or maybe they just need some help to make that transition.

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Well, hey, everybody.

Let's get to this week's episode.

This is an exciting one, and this is for.

For the ladies.

But I bet that the guys can get a few tips from it today who are thinking about leaving their corporate jobs.

So we have Karen Freeland.

She's a former corporate workaholic, and she's turned into a certified life coach and award winning author and a podcast coach.

Her mission is to help high achieving women ditch the golden handcuffs, transform their lives one half at a time, and achieve their true purpose.

So, hey, Karen, how are you?

I'm great.

Thanks for having me on the show today.

Well, I'm glad to hear that.

You're great.

You and I don't live that far apart.

And unfortunately, helicopter Hurricane Helene just came in and did a good bit of damage.

It sounds like we've both escaped the brunt of it.

But, man, is it scary how life can change overnight or literally over minutes?

Zachary.

It really is.

And it's so interesting that you brought that up, because I think, you know, when I was thinking about making a pivot, as many people do, often death and tragedy surround those big emotions they surround or become a catalyst for change.

And so I bet there's a lot of people right now, um, not only that are hurting, but are also thinking about, how do I want to live my life differently, knowing that life is so precious.

Life is precious.

I have a feeling I'm a couple years older than you, and like you, you blink your eyes and you hit the next decade.

So I have high school seniors that'll be moving out of the house next year.

And, you know, you don't think when you're in your twenties that you'll get to the point where you're close to having an empty, an empty desk.

So, yeah, now, I actually saw a Facebook post by someone that I know basically posting that her, her company, she works for, big company, is shutting down and, you know, losing, she's going to be more than likely losing her job.

So a lot of times people feel like, go do the, quote, safe thing and get a corporate job.

And I would argue that that is not the safe thing, um, because I think there's different types of safety.

But, uh, you know, I think this will be a really good episode to talk about, um, you know, how people can maybe make some decisions in their life.

So.

So what do you see as far as struggles when clients decide?

Like, you know, I just don't know if this corporate life is for me.

I'm afraid to get out.

I don't know what to do.

Like, like, what do you see when working with people?

Because I'm sure it's an emotional decision.

Very much so, yes.

And we want to take some of the emotion out of it when we're thinking about making this pivot, because a lot of times the emotion is actually what keeps us stuck.

It's what actually holds us back from making a change, because there is so much fear and uncertainty, or it feels like there's a lot of fear and uncertainty when you're making a change.

So the struggles that I usually see kind of fall into three buckets that I get to help my clients with.

And I call it the money, the mindset, and the mission.

So the first piece is the money, which obviously, you know this well, you probably hear this a lot of times.

You know, they're afraid because they want to maintain a specific lifestyle.

You know, they've, they've been making the money, so they've got all the things, the stuff, the fancy cars, the nice home, the jet skis or the dirt bikes or whatever, all the toys you go out to, all the best restaurants.

Maybe your kids play really expensive sport.

I mean, mine, when we were living in Jersey and I was going through this transformation, they were playing hockey.

And the thought over and over in my head is, how can I break it to my boys that if mommy leaves corporate, they can't play hockey anymore?

Now, of course, that wasn't actually true, that they could still play hockey if they wanted, but that was the fear talking.

So we got to make sure that our money's right.

We have to stop tying our words, our paycheck and thinking that, well, I'm only valuable because I make six or seven figures.

So now to.

Yeah, I would think that.

And maybe this is an overly generalizing stereotype, but I thought only guys tie their self worth to their paycheck.

Is that.

I mean, do.

Do the females of the world do that?

Because, you know, sometimes you think just.

That's just a dude thing.

It's just the guys are tied to their paycheck.

Okay.

Oh, it is a rampant among women.

Right.

And that is where.

See, I really, truly don't understand women.

I see.

That's.

You sound like my husband.

He's like, you're an enigma.

I don't get it.

But, yes, women very much so have attached their worth and their title to.

To both paycheck and title.

Both of those things come very much into play.

And guess what?

Men and women both have egos.

So that's where a lot of that comes from.

It's not really a gender thing.

We were all gifted with an ego, so that's something that we have to really work on and make sure that we're keeping it in check.

And that happens a lot in the mindset area.

And so there's a lot of women, especially when they're the breadwinner, that are like, oh, my gosh, am I going to have to ask my husband if I can go get a mani pedi now?

Like, what is this going to mean for me?

What does this mean for my relationship?

And I'd always been the breadwinner.

I mean, we went out to dinner, and my credit card was the one on the table because I was the one who was making more money.

So why would it not come out of my salary?

I was the one that didn't want to cook, you know?

And I was the one that was just like, oh, don't give me any more dishes.

Let's just go out.

So that is a very big shift for a lot of women.

How do you get to lean into this new relationship with your spouse or partner without it demeaning you?

It might actually be in a really exciting opportunity for you to lean in and experience love in a new format.

I personally love now when we go to dinner and I get to lean back and just wait for my husband to slide that card across the table.

It's not that I couldn't pay for it, but it's that I get to allow him to shower me in a new way.

And so that's one example of mindset that needs to shift.

But there's other things that could be more tactical that I will see.

My clients get really hung up on LinkedIn.

Right.

If they don't properly prepare and take a break from LinkedIn after a pivot or during that transition, they often will say, ah, Sally just got promoted to coo.

See, I should have just stuck with it.

Maybe I could have gotten promoted.

Oh, she's going to be making all this money.

And then it's just this cycle starts over and over, and they start to second guess themselves.

And then the third issue, where I see a lot of struggles is around what I call the mission.

So what is it that you are leaving your job to go do?

Because if you're running from something, even though there's no shame in that, there.

There is this mindset again that, oh, well, I wasn't strong enough.

I couldn't handle it.

Something was wrong with me.

But when you have something to run to, then you start to get excited, and you can't wait to slam that door on your job close.

And I've seen this, you know, I had one client.

She decided she didn't want to leave working altogether, but she wanted to transition into teaching and get her master's in art education and become an art teacher.

And it was like she wasn't sure if that was a worthy enough profession and what would people think of her?

But once she saw the mission and that this was a way for her to share her gift of art with others, she couldn't wait.

You know, she got the master's.

She did the whole thing.

She got a job in the New York City Doe, and she's never been happier.

And so it's like we have to also figure out what makes you tick, what lights you up.

What would you want to do if you were to make a pivot?

Well, and I think when we are living our mission and we are living in a way that, like you said, makes you tick, I think you're also better in all the other roles in your life.

Right?

So you're a better wife when you're living a fulfilled life.

Cause you're not miserable when you come home or stressed out.

And I think that's something.

As a financial advisor, I look at holistic financial planning.

Well, I think, you know, we all need to look at our whole lives.

There's no one part of your life that's really separate from the rest.

And if you're miserable or if you feel handcuffed at work.

It's gonna come out at home at some point, at least to some extent.

Yeah.

And I saw that a lot in my kids, my relationship with my kids, too.

You know, like, I remember just rushing them every morning.

Hurry up.

Mommy's gonna be late.

I've got a meeting.

Get in the car.

What are you doing?

You know, the stress of the job was being put on them, and they were feeling it.

And I remember just saying, okay, at one point, I've got to hire somebody.

I need a nanny or somebody to come in in the morning, because this is not how I want a parent.

This is not good for them.

It's not good for me.

And when I started using my resources to help me get out of that burnout and stress, I could finally have the capacity and the energy to start looking at, okay, I don't like how I'm living, but why don't I like it?

What's wrong with it?

How could I make it better?

What would I enjoy doing?

When you're in that full on burnout stress?

You can't even think about those things because every second is so precious.

You're so time starved and energy starved that the thought of changing jobs or leaving your job and doing something else is just exhausting in and of itself.

Right, no, I get it.

And I.

And I think mission is.

Is just so crucial in our lives because I think that we can all do so much more than we think we can if we have the right motivation.

And I think sometimes it's really easy to be in that comfort of maybe a corporate job and, you know, that set paycheck, whatever it is, and you've kind of adapted your life to.

To live off of that amount.

So there's not really that much motivation to leave because you're not dying.

Um, but you're also, you know, you're not living life to its fullest.

And I think, you know, when we're all on that proverbial deathbed, I think we're all going to look back and say, you know, I have a few.

I mean, we're all going to have regrets.

But if.

But if one of your regrets is you stayed at a job in a career for 30 or 40 years because you were afraid, I don't know that that's where we want to be at the end.

We definitely don't want to be there.

I don't want to be there.

And that was a big catalyst, like I said, for me, it's just, you know, seeing some of my family members pass away and go, oh, my gosh.

Like, is this all it's for?

Like, what?

Why am I doing this?

Is this a joke?

I couldn't have possibly been put here to make PowerPoints, to justify my existence to someone else.

And that's what it felt like I was doing in my marketing role day in and day out, make a PowerPoint, prove why I belong here, and, you know, constantly justify why I made the choices I made, and I thought, this just can't be it.

There's got to be something more.

Yeah, no, I.

And I think.

I think that's.

That's a common feeling.

What.

What is this saying?

They give us out.

They give you a salary in exchange for all of your hopes and dreams?

Is.

Is what I've.

Is what I've heard.

Yeah, we actually have a quote.

I love that.

I have not heard that before, but that is fantastic.

We have a quote down on our board, and it says something along the lines of, like, um, build your dreams, or you'll be working for someone who's going to pay you to build there.

So, you know, we just kind of made a choice as a couple.

Like, okay, we have to start chasing some of our own dreams, and you can always go back, like, yeah, that's the other thing.

This isn't.

This isn't permanent.

If you decide to leave corporate and you go explore something else, maybe you start a business, you have another venture, you go to a nonprofit, whatever I.

You decide to do, and it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, you can always go back.

You're transferable, and you're always going to be able to go get another job making the same amount of money, or not.

Maybe more, you know, later, if that's what you really desire.

Well, that's interesting that you say that in your role, because I do think that not everybody is cut out to be an entrepreneur.

And some people just can't handle.

There's a lot of roller coasters, and, you know, people see your name on the sign.

And even my mother, when she was alive, she said, you own the business.

You can take off whenever you want.

I was like, yeah, that's exactly the opposite of what's reality now.

I would never trade my role as an entrepreneur, but it's hard.

It's hard in the way that I love, and there's a lot of rewards, but there are people that maybe can't handle the ups and downs.

I don't know.

And maybe.

Maybe in a more w two type environment, they would do better.

But I think to look at these things and have difficult, you know, soul searching conversations would be.

Would be important.

Yeah.

And it's not always leaving corporate altogether, but sometimes it is leaving the job that makes you cry in your car or makes you, you know, get acid reflux and stress so much you grind your teeth.

All of those things happen to me.

Yep.

So that's why.

Yeah.

They're very fresh in.

In my mind, you know, is sort of these ramifications of these stressful, high demanding jobs.

So, you know, the more money you make, yes, it can be good, but sometimes it just not even about the money anymore.

You know, there just gets to a point where you could pay me about a million dollars.

Right.

And I still wouldn't do this job because it's just that unfulfilling for me.

Nope, I totally get it.

Totally get it.

Okay, so I have a two part question for you.

What are the typical fears that women and men also experience when they're thinking about making a pivot?

And then how do you help to overcome those fears, to maybe nudge or encourage your clients to make that jump that they probably know that they need to make?

So what are the fears?

And how do you overcome the fears?

Yeah.

And the fears, obviously, are going to be different for everyone.

Right.

So in one example where I talked about, like, sports, okay, I have this, you know, these kids I want to provide for, or how am I going to pay for college, right.

So there's all of those different fears that come up.

The thing to know is that fear is universal.

Everybody has these fears.

So it's a matter of isolating the fears that you have, writing them down, getting them down on paper, and then figuring out a way to overcome those fears that you don't let them actually hold you back.

And so in my book, grab life by the dreams, I've actually given the blueprint for how you can get unstuck, overcome those fears, and get closer to living your perfect.

And what I mean by that is thinking about things like confidence.

Right?

So I give six tips and tools for creating unshakable confidence, because when you have the right kind of confidence, it doesn't matter what the fears are.

They're going to come up.

You get to base them now and over.

So are some people just, quote, more confident people, or maybe do they have just better ways, better skills to develop confidence?

No.

So I have.

I think about confidence very differently now than I did before I was a coach.

And so confidence was always this elusive thing that some people had, some people didn't maybe it was tied to being an extrovert.

And as I started researching it, I realized that it's not a personality trait.

It's not even a feeling, right?

Because feelings are fleeting.

They come and go.

It's not even something tangible.

Like, you don't have confidence like, you have a computer or you have a.

You know, something.

What it is, is it's confident behavior.

You can only act confident, and act being the operative word.

So, when I'm working with a client and we're trying to build up someone's confidence, we're taking action, small steps in the right direction so that they build up their confidence, because, like, oh, I took this action.

I stood up for myself.

I set a boundary.

I met with a financial planner.

I did this or that, and, like, the world didn't end.

I didn't die.

Nothing bad happened.

It's okay.

I can do this again, and then they can take a bigger action and a bolder step the next time.

So, I saw an interview with Garth Brooks.

And Garth Brooks, back in the nineties, was literally the most famous person in the world.

Millions and millions of records he said he would have before his concerts.

He would have these feelings of, what if no one shows up now, again, he was the biggest in the world at the time.

So you would think, you know, and there's also stories about Mike Tyson literally vomiting in the locker rooms before.

Before boxing matches.

And, of course, you know, you'd look at Mike Tyson and say, there's a confident dude, doesn't have any fear.

We all have fear.

Even Mike Tyson.

It is a heyday, you know, even the Garth Brooks is of the world.

Everybody has fear.

So I like how you defy you.

You define it as behaviors, and I think that's.

That's.

That's big.

I like that.

So, what other confidence tips do you have for us?

Because I think confidence is probably looked at incorrectly by most, by a lot of people.

Yeah.

Those fears that come up when you're thinking about making a bold move.

Right.

Might be something like, well, I don't have the skills.

How.

How could I start a business, Karen?

I would love to.

That would be great.

I've always worked in corporate.

You know, there's a department for everything.

Am I now going to go run a business?

This sounds crazy.

It's like, okay, of course that's scary.

That's a lot that you're looking at.

Let's chunk this down into much smaller pieces and create a plan.

Create a step by step action plan for you, and it's like, oh, once they break it down.

Okay, so you mean I just need to start by getting my llc, figuring out what I want to name my business, you know, maybe building the website, hiring my first employee.

Yeah.

Okay, so then it's not so scary, right?

So, like, making a plan.

It's such a little thing, but you would be amazed how many people are overlooking this when they're thinking about making a pivot.

So take a step and then take another step, and then at the end of a certain amount of time, you've taken a hundred steps, and you're a good way through it.

But, you know, kind of that first step might be the name of the business.

It might be forming the.

It might be asking someone, do I need an LLC?

How do I form an LLC?

Just all of those things that you don't have to think about when you are working in corporate.

I love it.

Yeah.

What I find is when you start to take those steps and those actions, you start to get excited.

You know, you meet with that person who shares about how you could create this LLC, and all of a sudden, it becomes more real, it becomes more tangible, and so then you get motivated intrinsically.

Like, I don't know about you, but when I was working in corporate, I was just extrinsically motivated.

I showed up.

If nobody said good job or I didn't get that paycheck or that bonus or whatever, then I was deflated.

I would never have done b two b marketing just for the fun of it.

Right?

I only did it for the extrinsic validation.

Whereas now, with coaching women, I will do that whether I'm paid or not.

Right?

I will do it with my friends.

I will do it with my family.

I just can't help myself because I'm so motivated by seeing people transform their lives and live their purpose.

And I think that that is a good indicator sometimes for us when we're thinking about making a change, is like, how are we motivated?

Is this something I would just do anyway for the sheer love of it?

Then it's probably my jam.

It's probably something that I should pursue and keep doing and find a way to do more.

What tips and guidance do you have for someone that, like, they know that they should probably leave their job?

They just know it's, you know, that maybe they wake.

Well, first of all, how do you know if you should leave your job?

Like, what are some of those signs?

And then what tips do you have for those people that they know, but they're just not sure, like, where to start what the process should be.

Yeah.

So I think you're going to know when you just start to have that apathetic feeling about work.

You're stressed out all the time, you are craving more, you're feeling bored.

The things that used to excite you, like the fancy dinners out and vacations and all those things, the material stuff, just isn't worth it anymore.

It's not exciting to you, it's not new.

It doesn't fill that.

Yeah.

I call it the gaping hole in your soul.

You know, there's just something missing.

And you tried everything, but you still can't figure out what that thing is that is missing.

And typically, that is your purpose, your deeper calling.

So what I tell people to do is start by turning inward.

We've already tried to do what society told us we're gonna make us happy, and it didn't.

So now we get to put on our blinders.

Go inward, into your soul, into your heart.

What is it that you actually want about what things should do, what your family think, your coworker?

None of that matters, okay?

Let it all go and just go inward.

And the way we do that is through a lot of journaling and exercises, asking these deep questions, you know, what would you regret not doing if you passed away tomorrow?

Um, what is it that you have always dreamed of doing but felt too scared to do?

If money wasn't an object, what would you be doing?

Where all those questions that just get you to think and pause and reflect and be truthful, and then once you've done that.

Sorry, go ahead.

Were you going to say something?

No, I just.

I think that it's very important for us to be like, for us to know ourselves.

And I journal just about every morning, and I think it's just such an incredible tool.

And what's really cool is if you look back at last year's journal entries or two years ago, and you're like, you know, sometimes you don't see progress in life.

But that thing that I was maybe journaling about, that was a problem two years ago.

It's not a problem anymore.

So you can see progress by journaling.

So I think even in an informal setting, just to write a page or so of your, of your thoughts in a morning can just be an incredible way to get your day started.

Yeah.

And you can see patterns and trends and things that come up over and over.

You know, I'm amazed when I go back and I look at my journal entries from 20 16, 20, 17, 20 18.

Every single one is like, I'm so miserable.

My job.

I wish I could quit.

I just don't feel empowered.

Like, oh, it's like, how long was I gonna live like this?

Right?

But I needed to be empowered.

I needed a bit of a blueprint, which is what I meant to give people in my book grab life by the dreams so that they wouldn't stay stuck and frustrated for so long.

But I think one of the worst places in life to be is, like, where you just accept misery.

And I think a lot of sounds like you were just like, I'm miserable, and I just hate it, but I'm miserable, and that's just the way life is.

And we weren't put here.

Now, sometimes life is hard.

And even in your own coaching practice right now, you probably have some days where you're like, yeah, this was a crappy day.

Things didn't go perfectly, but we weren't meant to kind of be in that misery every day.

No, we certainly weren't.

And so I don't ever want to see someone staying there.

But, you know, we accept it because we don't know how to change, and we think it's just.

This is adulting, right?

This is my bed.

I made it.

Now I got a lay in it, so, oh, well, I'll just suck it up.

And that doesn't.

We don't have to just settle for that, you know, there's so much more that's out there, but we have to take that first step in any direction.

So I always tell people who are feeling stuck just do one thing differently, literally anything.

Drive home a different way today.

Go to a restaurant that you've never been to.

Call a friend you haven't talked to in a year.

Just do something different and never know what that's going to yield.

So, for me, I started exploring interest.

I thought, okay, I need a life outside of work because work has been all I do.

It's 24/7 right?

And for most of my clients, that's their story, too.

They don't even have time for hobbies because they're so busy with work and family and all those things.

So they'll start doing something that they really enjoy, and now they're experiencing joy from another avenue, and then, oh, my gosh, they meet somebody who knows somebody that's hiring somebody, and next thing you know, they find their next gig or somebody who's, you know, starting a business, and they're looking for a partner, and boom, you're out.

It shows up for you.

So I encourage people to start exploring, not only hobbies that make them tick, but things that they think could be a career.

Because I know I was going to say this earlier.

I had no idea when I was feeling stuck and frustrated that, oh, I want to be a life coach.

You know, that I didn't make the leap from a to z overnight.

I thought, okay, what do I enjoy?

I like working out right now.

I would much rather be a personal trainer and hang out in a gym all day with people than have to go to this soul sucking corporate job.

So I thought, I know, I'll become a personal trainer, and I'll coach women and get their body in shape.

That'll be fun.

Well, I started exploring that, and that's where I learned about life and career coaching.

And I thought, ah, now that's it.

Because like you said earlier, we want to treat the whole person.

I don't want to only focus on someone's health.

I want to focus on all the aspects of their life to make it great.

And so that's how I kind of got into this realm of coaching.

So whatever it is that you're in, interested in trying, go explore some of those things.

Some of them are gonna be like, oh, no, I was wrong.

This does not suit me.

I couldn't actually do this.

Like, I thought about being a yoga teacher at one point, and I was like, yeah, no, I just want to come to the yoga class.

I don't want to teach it.

I don't want to know all the poses.

I'm okay.

But I wouldn't have known that if I didn't start exploring that.

And so, you know, just to have a little fun with it.

This actually can be a really exciting journey if you're open to it.

And you could still do that while you're still getting your corporate salary.

You know, nobody says you have to leave tomorrow and walk out the door without it, without a plan.

Exactly.

And I highly recommend a plan.

I mean, there has been maybe one, I think, in, like, the four years that I've been coaching, there's been one time that I told someone, nope, I actually would recommend for your mental health.

It was a very bad, toxic situation at her job that I was like, nope, you should leave now.

But otherwise, I've always coached people, you need a plan.

And that exit plan might be three months.

It might be short.

It might be 24 months.

Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel, knowing that this isn't like the rest of your life, it makes the.

It makes it a little bit more bearable because, you know, that it's not permanent.

So.

And that's the, you know, last tip I really wanted to make sure I got in was that you should get support when you're going through these transitions.

Right.

And it's not just a career coach, but we kind of think of it as our board of directors, you know?

And you might want David or someone from parallel financial on that board of directors.

You definitely do, right?

You want to know that you've got somebody who's also helping you manage your money so you can make these types of leaps and pivot.

Absolutely.

I mean, at least I.

And one of my clients thought, oh, I got to keep working.

I need all this money.

I need more money.

And then they sit down with a financial planner, and they're like, oh, you're good.

Like, you.

You could stop working tomorrow.

You could have stopped two years ago, and you would be fine.

And all of a sudden you go, oh, well, now I've got all this power to make a move I didn't know I could make.

And that, you know, that's a really interesting.

There's a guy in my men's group, and he's miserable at his job.

Miserable.

And I feel for him because it does seem like a miserable situation.

And he's 62, 63.

And I said, well, I mean, should you still be at your job?

Like, is this, is this where God wants you?

And he's in my Bible study.

And he said something like, well, I'm not sure I can afford to retire.

I said, well, I know a guy that could help you to make, and he never took me up on it, so he's still in there, and I don't know how much money.

He may not have any.

I don't know.

But.

But we've not taken a mathematical look at.

Can he retire or not?

Or can he afford to take a pay cut?

A lot of times, you know, maybe you got work part time somewhere and it's better, but you don't because you think you can't afford it.

Maybe he could or maybe he couldn't, but we haven't, haven't looked at that, so.

Excellent.

So if there were somebody, let's say, driving down the road, one of the ladies, and I know that you've given a lot of really good information for the guys, and this, this, this applies to them as well.

But, but you work with the ladies, and one of the ladies is saying, you know what?

Like, she's talking about me.

Like, I need to make a change.

I'm there.

Like, I dread.

I have this stress.

Tell me how.

How they could find you, how you work, and how you work with your clients.

Yeah.

So, um, I would love for you to reach out to me on my website, karenfreeland.com.

and it's Karen, k a r I n.

So go to karenfreeland.com, send me a note, book, a call, and we'll just explore together what your big vision is, what is holding you back, and we'll make a game plan for going forward together.

I have a six month coaching program that I do, and it's called edit your life.

And it is based on my four step methodology that I share in my book.

So, edit stands for envision the goal, document the goal, invest in the goal and take action on the goal.

And it's all customized to you, so it's a nice framework, but it's loose enough that we can really meet you wherever you are and help guide you through this process.

And it's worth exploring.

Right?

There's no pressure.

And if you're like, I don't know if I'm ready to hop on a call, go get the book, grab life by the dreams.

It's $20 on Amazon.

And I give you the whole formula.

I give you the process that I walk my clients through.

So if you're a diyer, it's a great way to give it a try.

And then if, you know, you go through it and you want some more support, you know where to find me.

I love it.

I think having support is a great thing everywhere in life.

Left to our own devices, sometimes we don't make the brightest choices on our own.

So I think support is very, very important.

Yeah, we're just too close to the problem sometimes.

You know, we can't really see around it.

And so when you've got that third party who can be objective and ask you the right questions, it really helps.

No question.

No question.

So, Karen, we are the weekly wealth podcast, and we talk about the mindsets, the tactics and the strategies to help you to build and maintain wealth.

So, Karen, what is your definition of wealth?

What does wealth mean to you, to your family and the people in your life that are really important to you?

Yeah.

So I think of wealth outside of just money, but I think about being wealthy in time, wealthy in freedom, wealthy in health, and so, you know, wealthy in relationships.

And so it's not just about money in the bank.

That is a very helpful tool and resource.

But for me, being an entrepreneur allows me to be able to give back to my community through volunteerism in my free time.

It allows me to be there for my kids when they need me.

Like a week like this where there's no school and they're home because of the storm.

And it allows me to also still thrive in my career and do something that I'm really passionate about and serve other women and help them avoid the pain that I went through and allow them to live their God given purpose.

I love it.

Yep.

Wealth is not strictly a financial scenario.

It involves our whole lives.

And I love your definition.

Okay everybody, so if you enjoyed hearing Karen, check out her website ww dot karenfreeland.com.

and that's Karinfreeland.

And check out also in the show notes you can check out.

We'll have a link to her podcast and all of her social media links.

And if you feel like you really got some value, book a call with her, have a have a chat, and at the very least you get some clarity.

And at the very most, you may have a long term coaching relationship.

So Karen, I appreciate your help and your expertise.

There's a lot of good information here, even for the dudes, and I think we can all benefit from it.

So until next episode, I wish everybody a blessed week.

Thanks Karen.

Thanks for having me.

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